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Clint Guest	Post by Clint on Apr 20, 2016 3:55:25 GMT there are many many many reasons why I don't believe in a God no more or believe that Christianity is the "true" religion due to there being no evidence to support it, thousands of other religions claiming there God is the real one, how the bible promotes things I don't agree with like the oppression of women, promotes Slavery, killing gays, non believers, captives of invaded villages, unruly children, how it stole ideas from other religions that were invented way before Christianity was even established, unknown authors of the bible and how it was written in a different language, (Jesus did Not speak Greek) the fact that it's been proven that prayer doesn't work, you are simply just talking to yourself and science has been able to prove this. This is why I really love science. It's not faith based, it sets out to provide evidence, to search for the truth. For me, after I began to truly ask myself, why do I believe, then that's when I began to really study the bible and found that after a thorough analysis, and researching how All religions are created, and of course, using common sense, it became clear to me that the bible, and the religion I was raised to believe to be true is simply "man made" and had nothing to do with some "God" inspiring the words in the bible. Even though I don't believe in a God, there's no way for me to prove or say with certainty that I know for sure there is NO God. At the end of the day, NO one knows. "Belief" and "knowing" are 2 totally different things. I can say I don't believe in a God but at the same time, I can be honest and say there's no way for me to prove that there is no God. But what I can say is that based on the lack of evidence, and the fact that no human being living today has ever seen God, I can say it's highly likely that there is NO God. I don't believe that some man named Jesus rose from the dead to save me or humans from our sins. All these concepts are man made ideas. Sin?some man created that exact word. Think about it, there's absolutely NO proof that Jesus rose from the dead. None, zero, zilch, this is why you need faith to believe it. Why should I trust the word of ancient men whom I've never met and have no way of proving their claims. I was essentially brainwashed from childhood to believe this stuff was true but as a grown man and doing research there's no reason why I should believe this stuff. I don't want to live my life based on faith. Zoroastrianism was a Persian religion that was the first religion that came up with the concept of heaven, hell, sin, Etc. Zoroastrianism influenced Judaism and Christianity. I had to ask myself, if Christianity is the "true" religion, how could Christianity borrow ideas from another religion that Christians would consider false. And then you have the issue of there being literally thousands of religions that existed way before Christianity was ever created. In the bible it says that God is a jealous God, yet, he sat Around for 50 thousand years or more and allowed other humans to create other religions and worship other Gods and then suddenly decided to reveal himself as the "real God" to a man named "Abraham" which sparked the Abrahamic religions. It just doesn't make sense. And it seems that religion is based solely on geography. When I talk to a Christian and they tell me how great Jesus is, it's like okay, you are only telling me this because of what your parents taught you from childhood. If you were born in Saudi Arabia, you'd be Muslim, if you were born in India, you'd most likely be Hindu, If you were born in China, you'd be a Buddhist, so it seems rather interesting that people who claim their God is the real one is the same God there parents taught them when they were children. And then there's the horrific things that God gave instructions for in the bible. How there's verses that clearly promote slavery (Christian apologist will create excuses for it) Jesus clearly promotes Slavery among other horrible things. If a child is unruly, they should be stoned to death, if a girl is raped, she's forced to marry her rapist. The rapist can buy her from the dad. (Look this stuff, I'm telling you. Your church pastors will not tell you this stuff) how In the bible God tells his people to invade villages and kill all the men and in some cases kill the women and children too. The bible is so sick and twisted that there's no way a "loving" God would inspire this stuff. It makes me come to the conclusion that "man" made this stuff up and used the concept of a God to justify their horrible acts. They can say well, we can have slaves because look, it says it here in the bible and you better worship God and follow the words in this bible or else, you will go to hell. It's a scare tactic. They scare people into believing this stuff when once again, there's is NO proof or evidence that hell exists. It's the same as the Muslims blowing themselves up thinking they are getting 40 virgins in the afterlife. There's no evidence for it. Lol And then you have the errors and inconsistencies in the bible. The bible you read today is not the same bible that was written 2000 years ago. Did you know that the 4 gospels Mark Mathew Luke and John were written in Greek? That's strange because Jesus and the people that lived in galilee did NOT speak Greek. They spoke Aramaic. So you have 4 gospels, that talk about the life and resurrection of Jesus written in a different language 30-40 years after Jesus's died. And the authors of the gospels names are not Matthew Luke Mark and John, they are anonymous writers. We don't know who these men were, and these men were not witnesses to the events of Jesus death. Those names were added hundreds of years later by editors. And then there's science. How science continuously proves the bible wrong. Noah's ark never happened. There was NO global flood. Because Egypt has writings and artifacts from the time period when the global flood was supposed to have happened. If the world was destroyed by God, Egypt would not have been able to still thrive. Along with other civilizations like China, Persia, etc. but these civilizations have been able to provide proof that there was definitely NO worldwide flood. I can go on and on as to why I can no longer believe in a God or Christianity. Everything I laid out tells me that Christianity is a man made idea just like every other religion. If I had known that's the NT gospel writers were unknown and wrote in a different language, i would have became an atheist a long long time ago. But as a kid I was taught to never question the bible, like most religious folks are taught so I simply just believed it was true without even analyzing it.

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Admin • Administrator Posts: 18 Likes: 0	Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2016 14:23:40 GMT Ebony Atheist-Simple, we are ppl of logic and reasoning. Belief is subjective and can be interpreted however that person sees or feel fit. It's a personal thing. There's no objectivity . I want to follow as true things as possible. In order for me to accept it as true it needs to be justified with peer reviewed evidence. Beliefs/religions are all claims and if it was true then there surely wouldn't be a need for over 1400 denominations, sects cults or whatever. Also belief systems all fail to meet their burden of proof of godly or supernatural claims. It's all based of an emotional experience. A-how can you say that when you have different sects of atheism people are different and always will be but can you please bring it onto the site Ebony Atheist- Well before I can answer your question.can you define what an atheist is because theist have misconceptions of what an atheist is I was a Christian for 15 years I have a whole library of Christian books from Ravi Zacharias, Lee Strobel, to C.S Lewis A- better yet how bout you explain what type of atheist you are because there are different types now. so what made you stop? out of the 15 years of being a Christian you didn't feel God's presence? Ebony Atheist- 1) What made me become an Atheist? Education, skepticism, critical thinking, logic and reason 2) The claims from the bible fail to meet its burden of proof. Or have you not noticed that many things that supposedly happened in the bible are extraordinary? Talking Snakes, talking donkeys, a man in a whale’s stomach, Noah’s ark has no archeological validity. 3)The book of Genesis contradicts science in general . Also if you want go by the timeline of the bible the earth is only 6000 years old which falls short since the first human bones are over 3.2 million years old. Also the earth is 4.543 billion years, and the solar system is 4.6 billion years old. So the bible falls short big time. 5) The bible has moral problems umm you have creation all wrong for one a day in Gods eyes is different from hours people just did the assumption after adding the genealogies that the earth is 6000 years old. And think about it thinkkkk EVEN with God doing these miracles people still worshipped other Gods, fell from him , or disobeyed him think about that A- well there's proof of Jesus from atheist historians , Roman historians, Greek historians, regular historians they all conclude that there was a man named Jesus who was crucified NOW THE coming back to life part is sumtn else they leave that alone and wowwwww so u blame God because people use him in the wrong way? that's like getting mad at the doctor that found the cure for cancer but people use to give people cancer instead smh Ebony Atheist- Typical Christian response... You actually think objective moral values come your bible? Have you read that thing? and not the cherry picked parts where god appears like a loving entity. The Abrahamic god is pretty sadistic. The abrahamic god is a homophobe, ( Yeah its pretty humane to marginalize a group of people huh?) He is a misogynist, women can’t talk in church, they can be sold into slavery, and they are forced to marry their rapist, your god is also for abortion, because he killed tons of babies in the bible. And don’t even get me started on how your god condones slavery, and not indentured servitude but just slavery, It teaches how to inherit a slave and how to beat a slave. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Your god is a sadist that sits and watch pedophiles rape children...is that gods will? Your god is so smart that he made the first humans and left them in front of a tree with a snake that was his creation so its his fault that sin came about because if god was so smart he wouldve just destroyed Adam and Eve but instead he kills the whole world in a flood according to the bible anyway. The love of God is either strong or bipolar No, we aren’t going to jump and assume that a god exists. Can you justify prove of what you think a god or god is, HOW DO YOU KNOW? DID YOU SEE GOD? WAS THERE PROOF? A-because I have read the Bible not just the cherry picked ones , I read some stuff and be like daneeeee God but when u think about it it makes sense why he did not everything but most because God has been active in my life good and bad , if u read the Bible and new testament you realize how everything makes sense Ebony Atheist- how do you know its god? How do conclude that its god? please demonstrate this. A- Alright sighhh well I am a football player with sickle cell trait you can do ya research and read about players dying from it. Now it was times I would fall out and whatever but there was this one time where after practice I couldn't move and everybody left and I don't know how to describe it but it's like death u can feel it smh its crazy and I started to pray and a boy who forgot his bookbag came back and saw me and carried me to get water and put it on me and man smh its other stuff but it's more personal but at that moment I knew God was saying you call yourself a follower of Christ but u won't even open ur Bible or go to church but u willing to die for football because you love it more than me and Click I tightn up Ebony Atheist- So how does that proves a god did it? Do you have any peer reviewable proof that it came from a god or you just choose to believe that it came from god because that is what you taught? A- Is love peer reviewable?? since u want to go there. lol you never answered my question the years u were a Christian u ain't feel Gods presence ? prayers answered? or were u a Christian like the past me just say we believe in that's is cus that's most Christians Ebony Atheist- I'm not trying to disparage you. I am happy that you are better. Sickle cell runs in my family as well, but I'm critically thinking your claim. You are making a claim that a god did it, my question is how do you know that it's from God or a god? If you believe it was god because of what you were talk then it's a placebo effect that releases endorphins from your brain. It's a feel good drug, theist equate this feeling with being god but have yet to provide proof of what a god is. You see why I said this has to be approached with objectivity. You had a personal moment and you want to believe a god did it. My question is how do you know? A- Well answer this how come the 9 other boys who died from this in the same exact state I was in how come they died and I lived? if I go off what you saying that mean I can walk into a room if gunfjre and not die just because my brain tells me to feel good Ebony Atheist- Well, I don't know how serious their conditions were compared to yours. Why do you theist are looking for easy answers? Just because something miraculous happens doesn't equate to a god did. Try and look for the cause and effect. The best way to find out these answers is through science because they can actually run test and examine you. Saying a god did it isn't only a ignoring response but it's an argument from ignorance fallacy. How did a god did it? How do we define a god and what a god can do? There's many beliefs in this world but god happen up look at you and ignore the starving kids in Africa? Come on now A- keep running to science because science can't explain love and morals and you want to blame God for starving children? whyyy when he gave us the tools to feed everyone its us who don't give a damn about them we messed up things. and easy answer? Following God isn't a easy answer or quick fix this is a struggle lol. ay explain with science why are God's morals being thrown out the window today like sex before marriage homosexuals people having sex with animals churches of Satan coming out whyyyy. look at Albert Einstein he split the atom for science and pursuit of knowledge not to create nukes. so why blame the Bible for people using it for evil especially when the Bible says people will do this

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Admin • Administrator Posts: 18 Likes: 0	Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2016 14:38:09 GMT Ebony Atheist- So you know what God is? Have you told me? God isn't love because atheist love, most atheist are humanitarian, we believe in equality for homosexuals, transexuals, heathens and so forth. Your bible is prejudice and even go as far as to say they should be put to death..so how is god love? That being said you have yet to demonstrate god A- See that's where you fall into a trap because you can't define love like a Christian can, your definition of love is different from others. you don't even know where love comes from scientifically or what makes us know that's its real because we definitely can't see it through science A-God is demonstrated around us he is the love that you are talking about he is the morals he is your consciousness before it gets polluted, he is the reason why earth is in the perfect position to have life because science States if we were even a few inches to the left or right we wouldnt be here God is the ultimate love , thank about it he sent his Son down to die for people like who people who don't even beleive in him people who mock him and guess what he still will take you back and forgive u that's love . God told Jeremiah to marry a prostitute and love her so u can get a glimpse of the love I have for you , people see I take care of them that I love them and still cheat on me still follow other Gods still disobey or dnt respect me come on Ebony Atheist- Do you think it's ok to marginalize a group of people because the bible said they are an abomination to the lord? Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall be put to death. Please tell me how this is love from God? A- Well, first we don't follow the old covenant but let's go with that since u brought it up. for one TRUE Christians don't marginalized anyone me for instance I think homosexuals are tough people because their sin in at da forefront for people to judge them while everyone else u dnt know if they are a killer thief or whatever but God was harsh back then because he was actually there and present and LOOKKKK at what accepting homosexuality has done young kids grow up thinkn its cool its a way to be popular or liked they get confused and God doesn't want that. now let me ask you is it OK for people to make love to animals ? because based of science we are mammals or wat have you so it should be okay to have sex with a dog if I want to right? Ebony Atheist- Ah, the Christian that doesn't follow the Old Testament why not? Jesus said, don't think I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Jesus isn't ignoring the Old Testament he's fulfilling it. So you guys either lack comprehension or just ignore that part. Homosexuality according to the bible is just a sin like every other sin so what you guys are cherry picking which sin you choose is worse? Also the only unforgivable sin is blaspheme of the Holy Ghost according to the bible..Matthew 12:30-32 Also you are a man with long hair another sin 1 Corinthians 11:14 A-Do u know what fulfill mean? we were in bondage because of the old covenant NO ONE COULD FOLLOW all of that's why it says all have fall short of the Glory of God . the new covenant is with Jesus if u read ya Bible u know the apostles even argued which do we follow the old or the new and Peter said how you going to make the people follow not even our grandfathers who were in the presence of God could not do. and it's not Cherry picking sin is sin and I just said u have real Christians who know this and we don't judge we let it be known but that's up to God. now what happen to my question ms. proud atheist its cool for people to sleep with animals or have sex a child ? look I don't know your name but come back or just talk to God. ima pray that he touches you but you have to open your heart. just like u were open to this video be open to God . like he is it don't let people mess it up for him that's like black people going out doing stupid stuff making the rest of us look bad and we dnt like that so why charge that on God Ebony Atheist-You just said, I think homosexuals are tough people because their sin in at da forefront for people to judge it For one homosexuals are people, to consider that something is wrong with them because an outdated book with a bunch of homophobes who said Is a sin is still a claim. The bible is a claim it's not considered history at all. So back to the my point you can't demonstrate God or supernatural claims. You believe in the book because you like it, you believe in it but until you actually provide proof that your God exists this conversation is useless. I can have the conversation with a person who believes in aliens but they have yet to prove any proof it's just claims A- no u misunderstand me when I say tough I mean like they have a lot of heart like a better word I guess would be strong and ughh lol why didn't u want to post on the website this gold material well aliens haven't really affected or changed the world have they? God or Jesus has actually affected EVERYTHING like lol everything morals how we look at the world or laws and regulations and what's funny u keep running from my questions, where is the science of love how does one describe love without having a standard and if there is a standard who gives that standard Ebony Atheist- You can pray to what you think God is, don't pray instead do research and come up with a better way to justify your position because God isn't love, that's not a description of God especially the God of your bible. You have to love him or he will send you to hell. Oh wow God you are a genius! (Not) What Is prayer? Doing nothing and hoping something will happen . I will quote Frederick Douglass, " I prayed for freedom for twenty years, but received no answer until I prayed with my legs " The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not Also God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance . (Neil DeGrasse Tyson) A-last time I check slavery ended ,now we have a system now and God doesn't want to send u to hell people choose that like now he is saving you through grace if u just believe and u tell me to research and I do I research both ways that's why I was on this video. but do u research both ways? science isn't true all the time have you seen people who were supposed to die , even that new movie miracles from heaven come on noww Ebony Atheist-I don't care what an outdated book says. There's no proof of any of those claims to be true. Also science is a process of collecting evidence to test whether the current explanations are correct or rather might be correct. Science is all about coming up with reasonable explanations about the world that can be shown wrong ( this is called being falsifiable) You think God diagnosed your sickle cell or medical science? A- medical science . science and God should coexist nothing wrong with that but saying ur going to live purely of science smh come on you haven't answered nun of my questions while I'm answering urs. and there is prooff of a man name Jesus being crucified there is no proof that he rose besides the Bible Ebony Atheist-You have yet to provide any proof of this god you talk about yet you are talking as if you know this for sure. How do you know? How can you demonstrate God? Look, you read a book and believe on faith. What makes your claim valid than a kid that believes in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy? These kids also believe on faith...what else do you have for justification. Can you approach this objectivity ? I don't want to hear what you think or what others think..where's the proof? A-I gave u the proof its the moral standard we have. our consciousness , bow earth is perfectly placed in the solar system that we have life. and the difference is as you get older you realize it was a child thing which is also stated in the Bible as a child I thought as child . And so I'm guessn u believe we came from a bacteria blob that made a fish and a lizard and a kangaroo and a cow and a eagle yeahh that sounds right Ebony Atheist-That's not proof of God It's a logical fallacy: God exists because the bible says so... It's an argument from ignorance fallacy. A- howwww its not lol? oooo u mean physical proof? well we have Jesus for physical proof Ebony Atheist- Jesus? Oh this should be fun. Please provide proof that Jesus ever existed. I'll be waiting to debunk whatever you think you know. A- go look at the story miracles from heaven and then ask yaself where the proof. you had a young girl suffering for 4 years in pain and told her mom she wanted to die and see Jesus. LOOK AT HER FAITHHH and off that God healed her where doctors didn't even know what was going on come on, people wrote letters about Jesus LET me ask you this, do you want real love or programmed love. if u marry a guy right now you have faith that they won't cheat or change on you that they will love you forever , but u can't see in the future you gotta have faith . God split seas for his people and right after they made a golden calf to worship smh lol how you think God feels

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