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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2016 13:04:10 GMT
Any Questions?
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Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2016 3:35:07 GMT
D- how do you know if Jesus even existed? A- Well there is actually historical proof a man named Jesus and you got to ask yourself this man. You have a man claiming to be God when he died that should have ended everything his whole movement everything but instead it exploded in Rome people were willing to be burned alive killed and beaten for a Man because they believe he had risen and was God D-Alright do you know where the bible comes from? A- It comes from man who have been influenced by the Holy Spirit to write it D-Now how do you know that it was the Holy Spirit that told them to write it? A-It's stated, For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit D-But how do you know if they were telling the truth? A-Because the Bible defends itself, and man let's break this down like this you have me u and 60some other people writing a book that tells of a prophecy and life of a man. For the Bible to even be coherent it just shows that it's what God says, perfect All it took was for one person to write some crazy stuff or totally off and actually be put in there and it would've messed it up the whole thing D-There are 66 books of the bible now. There were over 500 books when men first started writing the bible. If this is the so called "Word of God" nothing would be left out. That's first off. Second of all, the bible is not coherent. There are plenty of contradictions in the bible but I don't want to get into that. Third of all, there's no proof of a man named Jesus or any character in the bible to have ever existed. A-Exactly exactly im glad you brought that up , that just shows you how the Devil was working even now. We learned in class it was a man idk if it was the dead Sea scrolls I think it was another scroll where he was writing stuff just so he could get money but it was God that made sure what really got put in the Bible And yes there is , you better go research or I can send it to u the letters of people EVEN pilate the dude that ordered the crucifixion was talking about Jesus Plenty contradictions you say? D-Yea I don't want to get into that though. Now how do you know your religion is the right one? A- Lol for one its not a religion to me its a relationship. In Christianity there's a changing if hearts and minds like if you were married its not me me me or I i I its us with God. But the fact that He knew people wouldn't even believe in him in the future or even acknowledge what he did AND he still died in one if the worse ways for you is just crazy it changes how you look at Love cus that's some crazy love . Not to mention even Islam believes in Jesus just not that he was the Son of God and that's anothrr wow
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Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2016 3:39:44 GMT
D-The problem is is that y'all don't wanna hear anything that goes against the bible. Have you gone outside the bible and studied the history of it?
A-Yes we had a whole class on it thats why i dont mind doing research myself. And bruh ask yourself this there have been thousands of religions right? Where people felt their Gods would protect them and whatever now tell me how come all have been eradicated but 6-7 that are today with islam christianity and hindi being the largest of the 7 Since u say you heard all these answers before how do you explain the explosion of Christianity in Rome after the resurrection when it was supposed to had ended with his death?
D-I'll tell you why now. The reason why these certain religions are the biggest today with Christianity and Islam being the biggest is because the white man is behind these religions. Now let's think about who's in power right now. The white man. So he who has the most power has the most influence. That's why Christianity and Islam are the biggest religions. You say we were worshipping the wrong gods. We had no gods. This whole God term didn't even exist until the Europeans came along. Then they infiltrated our land and took our knowledge and created their empire. And the reason they wanted us to believe in Christianity is so we could believe that God ordained us to be slaves and so we be passive and not want to kill them. Put it like this. The Roman Empire created your bible. That's why the Roman Catholic Church and the pope is the head of Christianity. The reason why Christianity exploded is because people were killed and brutalized and forced to believe in Christianity. Your bible comes from Rome. Your God is Rome and the pope. How could they create a bible when one was already made called the Old Testament before jews were in rome? Why would they make a bible or New Testament that focuses on Love and salvation not following roman leaders or catholic pope??
A-You cant blame God because man turned something he made good into evil thats like you making a cure for cancer and people turn it into a weapon to give people cancer instead was that your intention? So can we breakdown what you said or is your heart hardened? Are you willing to hear and actually think about what i say like i am with you Idk if know this but this is spiritual warfare man , look around at society The devil winning sex is viewed as nothing sacred anymore kids having sex younger and younger people having sex with animals in the open , its cool to be gay, u got satan churches coming out smh if Christianity the control why it looks like all its values getting tossed out the door
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Post by Admin on Sept 8, 2016 21:23:20 GMT
C- that's where the disconnect lies, I feel unreasonable faith is unreasonable and illogical. For example, would it make sense for me to think that you can fly? And when people came to me and said, no Clinton you're wrong, Antonio can't fly, and I say, well my faith is strong, I know he can fly!! It makes no sense right? Sounds silly right? Exactly my point!
A- Well it depends on what the Bible is promising u right? Its not promising you that u can fly or or run across water you have to charge the Bible for what it's promising.
A- Can i ask u something Clinton Morgan ? If your God and your relational , you want to love and be loved how do you make your world? A world where we are predetermined to love you . A world where they can choose ? No world at all. Or a world where you control them if they dont love you?
C- if I was a God, I would be more visible in the world. I would give humans "true" free will, so that if they choose NOT to love me, or worship me, that would be okay! I would still love my creation even if they don't want to follow me.
A- Alright alright . First u didn't answer the question u made up your own Choice but ima go with it. Okay u said u would give them true free will but also said u would make one true religion? How would that work if someone wanted to make their own? 2nd phase. How do u eliminate faith? Faith and trust go hand in hand so will people be able to see their futures to trust it? And ok will u answer everyone's prayers? What about the people who choose to do evil or pray for something evil?. What if people become spoiled or complacent? They don't work for nothing or do nothing because they could just pray for it?
C- if someone wanted to make up there own religion that's fine because at the end of the day, people will realize, there's this God who is visible, and then there's this fake religion, where their God can't be seen, does NOT answer their prayers.
A- How can you guarantee peace and harmony when people have their free will to choose?
C- I am God, I will answer all prayers. With limitless power, I can do whatever I want!! There will be no such thing as evil. As an all loving God, why the fuck would I create evil? Makes no sense How can I guarantee peace and harmony with free will? Because the absence of evil will guarantee peace!
A- Alright you answered now lets think. In order to differentiate between good and evil your going to have to give them a moral code. Now they are free to choose so how will u go about upholding peace if they choose the latter. Its funny you sound kinda like how God would have . Lol he was right dere with Adam and Eve and yet bam. Just like your son im using as an example he may see u and know you but theres something thats in those gangbangers that he wants more could be money woman fun but he can't see those things yet but he still ready to worship them
C- with the absence of evil, they will have the free will to determine their own moral code and from time to time I would provide insight (as a real dad should do during that process) and if they needed help, I would be there to guide them, they way a REAL God should do!
A- How can u have a absence of evil but know good??? Think . If therrs no evil u wouldn't know what good is. Without bad relationships you wouldn't know what a real one is. So if people break the moral code what happens to them?And im guessing there would be no sense of duty or accomplishment in your world if we could just pray for everything and get it.
C- exactly. I would provide everything my people needed.Everything would be so amazing that they prolly wouldn't have no need to pray for anything! The only time they would pray is to thank me for making their lives so meaningful and taking care of them the way a real God, who claims to be all loving should do. If people breaks the moral code? Well like I said, true free will would grant them to option to do so. If they break the moral code, I wouldn't send them to burn for it. Once with the absence of evil, there would be no harmful or negative outcomes from breaking a moral code.
C- why is it reasonable to believe in your religion considering the men who wrote the gospels were anonymous/unknown and were NOT witnesses to the events surrounding Jesus life and alleged resurrection, I say alleged resurrection because there's no evidence that it actually occurred!
A- im going to answer your question. But i hope u sit back and think about God frfr because u can just eliminate evil for one . if someone or a group of people who are messing up your dream earth for everyone else and people are praying for u to kill them what do you do then?
C- logically speaking, there would be no such thing as morals. The opposite of moral is immoral!! If everything is all good, there would be no reason to have a code
A- U can't eliminate evil though Clinton Morgan lol. Well lets Change the word to immoral den
C-I'm God, I can do whatever I want!! Now answer my question
A- Lol so your going to infringe on the people's free will? Just put nothing but what u feel is good in their heads? Cus if not if they create their own morals then u might be shocked
C- I'm not putting anything in their heads. I would not be infringing upon their free will If they create their own morals, since there is NO evil whatever they create will be within the realms of goodness and will be beneficial for everyone.
A- But to answer your question. Its only reasonable to believe in the new testament gospels because even if the authors were not there they still have coherence to the old testament and even together in the new. If you want to be technical no historian or researcher were eye witnesses yet they write what's in our history books and we go off it. But the big thing is the resurrection . It says if Jesus didn't resurrect our faith is useless and wasted. But Jesus handled this beautifully, he didnt say i would rise spiritually so people could never test it BUT PHYSICALLY. That's why u had the Roman guards protecting him because they thought the disciples were going to steal the body to claim he rose and Then you HAVE WOMAN who are the first witness to this miracle. You havr Thomas who talks like you saying hey i aint believing until i touch the hole in his hand and Jesus let him and said blessed those who don't have to see touch me to believe me. But this created the 3 great theories of the resurrection, was it a great illusion, was it someone who looked like Jesus or maybe this is real. I believe that if these people wanted so much power and wrote the new testament way after the fact wouldn't they have done Everything based of the old testament? Would've named him Immanuel, would have him dying on a tree literally, have him be a king on earth. And to have woman as the first witnesses is crucial in itself . But thats why its reasonable because it upholds coherence with ITSELF and the rest of the Bible, the witnesses and reactions to the resurrection. And the aftermath
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